A friend just sent this to me. I don't use colloidal silver but I know some people who do and swear by it. Comments?
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Monday, February 06, 2006
This email has been a long time in the making as I don't recommend products unless I have personally seen their results. Well of all the products I have ever used, I have never seen more dramatic results than with this Mild Silver Protein. The reason I became involved in alternative healthcare was due (in large part) to a poorly functioning immune system, For many years I have had to take large amounts of nutritional supplements in order to just keep my immune system strong. Even with all I had to take, I still had problems. That was until I found this Mild Silver Protein.
To relate how this happened, last November I was invited to speak at a church conference in Belleview, Florida. My topic was vaccinations, but I also addressed the subject of Colloidal Silver during the course of the presentation. During the course of the day I had three separate people (one was an MD, one was Veterinarian, and one was a regular consumer) approach me in regard to the incredible results that they had seen with this particular brand of Mild Silver Protein. I think the Lord knew it would take more than one person for me to research this subject, as I was convinced that low strength Colloidal Silver was the answer. But when the Lord deals with me, many times he deals with me in 3's. These three people did not come to this presentation together, and as far as I know they were unrelated to each other. Moreover they were not trying to "sell" me anything but were just relaying their experiences to me. In actuality they had nothing to gain by telling me this information. So after the conference I started checking into this product. The evidence was overwhelming but I had to see it for myself, so I placed a small order. Since going on this Mild Silver Protein my immune system has never been stronger. In addition to this, I have gone off virtually everything else I was taking for my immune system in order to really test this product. I have gone through this whole winter season and have not been sick once. Obviously I cannot guarantee this for everyone who takes this product, but I can tell you what my experience has been. The man who started this company considers this almost a crusade as he claims he was personally cured of Lyme's Disease from this product. Lyme's Disease is a very stubborn, severe, viral based disease.
Please forgive the length of this email but I feel it is necessary to present you with the majority of the facts so you can make an informed decision. This is an email that would be good to print out so you can have it as a reference tool to be able to read at your leisure. The brand I am recommending is the best, as far as my research goes. Like anything else quality is the main factor one should consider when purchasing any nutritional product.
Dr. Johnson
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This information is regarding the original 1938 broad spectrum Mild Silver Protein formula that was used to treat more than 650 different diseases, including viral Infections, bacterial infections, cold and flu, nasal infections, eye and childhood ear infections, fungal infections, parasitic infections, etc. totalling over 650 different Disease organisms-(Science Journal 1978). It was so effective against yeast (Candida) infections that only 1/2 teaspoon could be taken the first 7 days because it would kill the yeast too quickly if more than 1/2 teaspoon was administered. This formula has been used by over 1 million people from the years 1902 to 1978 without any drug reaction or interaction, as opposed to conventional drugs which kill hundreds of thousands of US citizens annually.
One of the reasons that "this" formulation of Silver is not getting the credit it deserves is: Other silver distributors make forms of inferior silver and fraudulently use the Medical Journal data that only applies to this product. These distributors claim that their product cures 650 diseases but they cannot make that claim as only "this" ORIGINAL FORMULA gave the results as reported in the Medical Journals from 1902 to 1978. Their silver is not remotely the same (theirs is generally ionic silver rather than particulate silver), yet they claim and apply this formula's proven efficacy for their products.
THIS IS THE ORIGINAL FORMULA that gave the Medical Journal results from 1902-1978. These results do "not" apply to "ionic" silvers made via electrolysis: (two pieces of silver in water through which an electric current is passed). Ionic silvers are misnamed and misbranded as Colloidal Silver and they are not colloids of silver at all. Ionic silvers are misnamed and misbranded stealing the name of Colloidal Silver, when they are only ionic solutions that have hardly any therapeutic silver in them. The eradication of 650 different diseases does not apply to any other product except Mild Silver Protein as reported in the previous issues of the New England Journal of Medicine, the British Lancet, and other recognized prestigious Medical Journals and publications. Because it is a pre-1938 formula, we can unequivocally state the cures for the same diseases that it was used to cure pre-1938. (Do not let the 1938 date intimidate you as silver is presently used in every burn ward in North America, whereas today's conventional antibiotics are so toxic that they have to be used cautiously with severe burn victims, as these antibiotics (given in too large amounts) would kill the patient).
This product falls within the guidelines as they existed before the 1938 Federal Regulatory take-over of our food and drug supply. Therefore this product can be distributed as a "pre-1938 ORIGINAL FORMULA” without FDA "new" drug approval. So by doing so, this powerful completely non-toxic mild silver protein formulation can be made available to the people of America as a dietary supplement.
It is distributed at up to 5,000 (parts per million) to the general public, and at 10,000 PPM to Health Care Professionals and research labs that have the highest accreditation. The 5,000 and 10,000 PPM the dosage is to be tailored to the individual's "dietary needs" by your present day Health Care Professional (with higher dosing when indicated) in the same manner as it was predating the FDA's 1938 take-over.
The 6 litres of blood (in the average human body) dilutes 1 teaspoon of any type and strength of silver, down by 1,200 times. Weak silver solutions (under 2,000 ppm or parts per million) are worthless in the body against disease. Example: A 20 ppm silver is diluted down to less than 1/100 of 1 ppm in the blood; but promoters mislead the public by saying that 20 ppm kills bacteria in the Petri dish (in vitro) without telling you: It is "not" effective in vivo (in the body) because it is diluted down 1200 times to less that 1/100 of 1 ppm by your 6 litres of blood. Promoters will not put up the information that the 6 litres of blood in everyone's body dilutes 1 teaspoon of silver (of any type or strength) down by 1,200 times. For disease the correct solution is to have a 20 ppm solution in your bloodstream, and for that you need to daily consume 1 teaspoon of 5000 ppm silver for every 30 pounds of bodyweight.
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In comparison to the old 20 PPM (parts per million) Colloidal Silver that I was recommending which retailed for $30.00 per bottle. It would take 125 eight ounce bottles of 20 PPM Colloidal Silver (or $3750.00's worth) to equal one four ounce 5000 PPM bottle of the Mild Silver Protein I have listed below at $99.99 per bottle. So in actuality this product is extremely cost effective. The 5000 PPM strength can also be diluted to make other strengths and as a result is by far the best value.
To Order Go To:
http://www.invive.com/drjohnson
It is easy to misunderstand the whole concept and nature of taking mild silver protein.
A Mild Silver Protein (processed in the proper way) has a valence (or charge) that is + (not ++) and therefore it does not oxidize into a toxic form and is considered a dulciment (See definition below).
Silver does "not" have the same characteristics or Valence of other HEAVY METALS, such as lead and mercury.
Now the answer why mild silver protein (processed in the proper way) is non-toxic, is an undeniable Chemistry fact that follows:
1.) Silver's "Valence" makes it non toxic:
The valence of the element Silver (Ag+ in the periodic table) is + (1). Hence Ag+. Silver's valence makes silver non-toxic.
Mercury and other heavy metals have 2 valences: E.g. Mercury, Hg++
The + (1) valence is non toxic, but the ++ (2) valence is toxic.
The "second" + is toxic because the second valence causes mercury and other heavy metals to be oxidized into a toxic form.
2.) Silver is "Dulciment":
That means silver is soothing to the tissues. This is evidenced by a silver known and used in every burn ward in the USA, namely Silver Sulphadiazine. Silver Sulphadazine is used in prodigious amounts with severely burned patients whose prognosis would be death if it were not for the silver used for their infections. Conventional antibiotics (in the amounts necessary to stop the infections) are so toxic that they would kill the patients if used in the same manner.
Vast quantities of silver are absorbed by thousands of burn patients via the skin and tissues, and are then carried by bloodstream of burn victims. This silver has proven to have no negative side effects on the other organs of the body. This fact has been proven by decades of usage in every burn ward in the USA.
3.) The viral loads of patients are reduced to near insignificant levels, with the use of this mild silver protein. This is a fact.
Indeed what is considered conventional is actually unconventional, as silver has been used in medicine since the 1800's. Whereas conventional antibiotics have only been used since 1947.
4.) Treating a patient with convention antibiotics for years would lead to antibiotics resistance.
There is no antibiotic resistance from silver because as soon as the pathogens come in contact with the silver they are killed immediately. Therefore there are no wounded pathogens to mutate into virulent forms of disease.
5.) Risk Factor from taking Silver is "0" according to FDA'S own Department:
Public Health Service
Center For Drug Evaluation and Research
Office of Training and Communication
Freedom of Information Staff
HFD-205
5600 Foshers Lane 12 8 05
Rockville, Maryland, USA 20857
To wit:
Stated in letter of November 3, 1999 through the Department of Health and Human Services requesting "any" recorded cases of silver ill effect:
Relevant excerpt of said letter: "We have researched the records from the FDA's AERS (Adverse Event Reporting System) and have been unable to locate any cases that would be responsive to your request."
6.) Studies show excess mild silver protein is excreted via the feces (90%), and via the urine (the remaining 10%).
That is why "all" patients are instructed to drink 8 eight oz. glasses of purified water per day in order to excrete the silver as a normal bodily function.
7.) "Cumulative Dosage" does not apply to INVIVE mild silver protein
Because with our Silver and recommended protocol, the body excretes the silver. It does not build up and accumulate like heavy metals with a +2 valence.
Silver is the best choice to address bacterial & viral infections and fungi/yeast; and the issue of the body storing the silver is not applicable to our Protocols.
***Conclusion:
***Use the silver at 4 teaspoons of 5000ppm per day for 3 to 9 months and you will rid the body of nearly every type of bacterial, viral, fungal, and parasitic malady.
That is the bottom line and it is Empirical knowledge demonstrated empirically for the last 8 years:
NO Toxicity from our silver for the last 8 years.
To Order Go To: http://www.invive.com/drjohnson
Start up dosage if a high amount of infection or yeast is suspected:
Mild Silver Protein (5000 - 1100 PPM):
This product does not taste good but it is vitally necessary for your success. You need to hold each dosage of silver under the tongue for at least one minute. This gets it into your blood stream. All the information you need to know is on the label. Follow the label as much as you can. But initially follow the dosage I recommend on this sheet.
Also remember that this product will leave a film on your teeth that can easily be dealt with by brushing your teeth after you have swallowed a given dosage.
Important: Start by taking 1-2 drops of the mild silver protein under the tongue twice per day. If you feel alright, double the dose the next day. Keep doubling the dosage until you are at 1-1/2 tsp twice a day. The reason you need to do this is if you have a problem with Yeast/Candida; which is a high likelihood in most cases. See the sheet I included at the end of this email for further explanation.
This protocol would be maintained for 1-3 months or until the symptoms started to dramatically improve. At that point the dosage would be cut in half and the patient would continue to be observed.
Dr. Johnson
Remember you may feel worse before you get better. That is quite common and part of the healing process.
Because the Mild Silver Protein is so effective against yeast infections; one can only start out at the following dosage "if" one has a systemic (full blown/rampant) Yeast/Candida infection: If you are unsure play it safe and start with the dosages below:
1st day- 1-2 (drops) twice a day
2nd day- 4 (drops) twice a day
3rd day- 8 (drops) twice a day
4th day- 16 (drops) twice a day
5th day- 1/4 tsp. twice a day
6th day- 1/2 tsp. twice a day
7th day- 1 tsp. twice a day
8th day- 2 tsp. twice a day
If at anytime (during the 8 days mentioned above) one starts having extreme flu-like symptoms, (which is due to the healing crisis of toxins given off by the dying bacteria (NOT by the silver): One must hold at the above dosage and not move onto the next level until the flu-like/detoxification symptoms are gone. The proof is: Give this silver to a healthy person and nothing (as far as symptoms) will occur.
If you have any questions please feel free to email Dr. Johnson at: drjohnson@ix.netcom.com
To Order Go To: http://www.invive.com/drjohnson
Disclaimer: It is your constitutional right to educate yourself in the arena of health and medical knowledge, to seek helpful information and make use of it for the benefit of you and your family. You are the one responsible for your own health. In order to make decisions in all health matters, you must educate yourself. The views and nutritional advice expressed by Dr. Scott Johnson are not intended to be a substitute for conventional medicine. If you have a severe medical condition, see a competent physician. I do not claim to "cure" disease; my goal is to help you to make physical and nutritional changes in your own body so that your body can heal itself.
Mild Silver Protein
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bobpick
The one thing I find hard to stomach (no pun intended) from the 'medical community' is that I believe a physician AND patient should work in concert with each other, both on information for a diagnosis by the professional and agreement on a course of action. Oftentimes the professional will ignore a patient's concerns. We have an absolutely great FP and when we are concerned about something he will research it and discuss it with us. He is also not adverse to try a 'different' (do I have to say alternative?) method of treatment. He prescribed a drug for a family member to lower cholesterol. Well, we are of the mind that the less drugs the better and were able to lower the cholesterol through proper diet. Never did take the drug prescribed. In the past two years we have been able to wean ourselves from a total of three prescribed drugs through alternative treatment. I believe in it ---- but I also believe the medical profession needs to do their homework and learn more about these methods of treatment. I don't necessarily say that as a black mark towards them, but the health care industry is ruled by the pharmaceutical companies.
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bobpick
In my studies I have seen very little co-factors, elements that are used to aid in a biological reaction. I have seen magnesium be useful for ATP production. Low ATP=low energy, and zinc used in the same function.
I'm going strictly by the science. Look at www.pubmed.com and enter colloidal silver. These are research papers regarding the silver.
In my studies I just don't see any benefit from silver. I reserve the right to be wrong.
I'm going strictly by the science. Look at www.pubmed.com and enter colloidal silver. These are research papers regarding the silver.
In my studies I just don't see any benefit from silver. I reserve the right to be wrong.
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bobpick
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whitewolf
MILD SILVER PROTEIN I BELIEVE IS A WONDERFUL PRODUCT,
AND I BELIEVE GOD IS DROPPING THIS ANSWER IN OUR LAPS NOW
FOR A VERY GOOD REASON, HOWEVER M.S.P. IS NOT ONLY COST
PROHIBITIVE BUT ALSO PROHIBITED BY AVAILABILITY IN HARD TIMES
IVE EXPERIMENTED WITH BOTH M.S.P. AND ITS MUCH MUCH LESS
EXPENSIVE COUSIN HOMEMADE COLLOIDAL SILVER FROM YOUR OWN
GENERATOR AT HOME AND BOTH ARE ALMOST AS MIRACULOUS AS THE
BILLING. (WE AS SURVIVALISTS NEED THIS VERY BAD)
IF YOU CAN AFFORD TO STOCK UP ON M.S.P. IT WOULD BE BETTER
BUT AT 99.00 PER BOTTLE MOST OF US WONT
LET ME ASSURE YOU THAT COLLOIDAL SILVER MADE AT HOME FOR
LESS THN A DOLLAR A QUART WILL ANSWER MOST OF OUR FAMILIES
NEEDS IN HARD TIMES.
MY WIFE AND I HAVE MADE A THOUSAND QUARTS OF WHATS BILLED AS
COLLOIDAL SILVER AND SEEN ALMOST MIRACLES IN THE LAST 15 YRS.
(SPEAKING FROM MUCH EXPERIENCE WITH C. S. )
AND I BELIEVE GOD IS DROPPING THIS ANSWER IN OUR LAPS NOW
FOR A VERY GOOD REASON, HOWEVER M.S.P. IS NOT ONLY COST
PROHIBITIVE BUT ALSO PROHIBITED BY AVAILABILITY IN HARD TIMES
IVE EXPERIMENTED WITH BOTH M.S.P. AND ITS MUCH MUCH LESS
EXPENSIVE COUSIN HOMEMADE COLLOIDAL SILVER FROM YOUR OWN
GENERATOR AT HOME AND BOTH ARE ALMOST AS MIRACULOUS AS THE
BILLING. (WE AS SURVIVALISTS NEED THIS VERY BAD)
IF YOU CAN AFFORD TO STOCK UP ON M.S.P. IT WOULD BE BETTER
BUT AT 99.00 PER BOTTLE MOST OF US WONT
LET ME ASSURE YOU THAT COLLOIDAL SILVER MADE AT HOME FOR
LESS THN A DOLLAR A QUART WILL ANSWER MOST OF OUR FAMILIES
NEEDS IN HARD TIMES.
MY WIFE AND I HAVE MADE A THOUSAND QUARTS OF WHATS BILLED AS
COLLOIDAL SILVER AND SEEN ALMOST MIRACLES IN THE LAST 15 YRS.
(SPEAKING FROM MUCH EXPERIENCE WITH C. S. )
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bobpick
But Bob, you need to be VERY careful when your taking it. Too much of anything is a very bad.
This is from the Tarascon Pocket Pharmacopoeia (2007) by Tarascon Publishing:
Silver- collodial (mild & strong siver protein, silver ion): Promoted as antimicrobial; unsafe and ineffective for any use. silver accumulates in skin (leads to grey tint), conjunctiva, and internal organs with chronic use. [Not by prescription. May come as silver chlride, cyanide, iodide oxide, or phosphate.]
This is from the Tarascon Pocket Pharmacopoeia (2007) by Tarascon Publishing:
Silver- collodial (mild & strong siver protein, silver ion): Promoted as antimicrobial; unsafe and ineffective for any use. silver accumulates in skin (leads to grey tint), conjunctiva, and internal organs with chronic use. [Not by prescription. May come as silver chlride, cyanide, iodide oxide, or phosphate.]
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whitewolf
JUST THE FACT THAT THEY STATE IT IS INEFFECTIVE TELLS ME THEY DEFINATELY DONT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT
IN THE STUDY OF SURVIVAL YOU WILL FIND SOME STRANGE THINGS SO. . . I WROTE THE CLAIMS OF C.S. OFF FOR THE FIRST TEN YEARS BUT AFTER TALKING TO OTHER CHRISTIANS WHO HAD BEEN TAKING IT FOR YEARS MY WIFE AND I BELIEVED THOSE STATEMENTS TO BE PROPAGANDA AND HAVE USED IT, OUR CHURCH HAS USED IT, OUR CHILDREN HAVE USED IT
GIVEN IT TO NEW BORN BABIES, FRIENDS, INTERNAL / EXTERNAL ..
FIFTEEN YEARS . . . . . . .
WHILE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE REMOTE CLAIMS OF SKIN DISORDERS POSSIBLY ASSOCIATED WITH THE MISSUSE OR OVERUSE OF C.S.OUR OPINION IS STILL MORE THAN EVER EITHER PROPAGANDA OR MISINFORMATION
(JUST WHERE ARE ALL THOSE GRAY BLUE PEOPLE ANYWAY)
AT THE VERY LEAST WE HAVE BEEN YOUR GINNY PIGS,
FOR WHAT EVER MY EXPERIENCE AND OPINION IS WORTH :
IN HARD TIMES THIS WOULD BE A MIRACLE SENT FROM GOD .
WHILE NOT A CURE ALL IT IS THE BEST TREATMENT I HAVE EVER SEEN FOR : BURNS, CUTS, INFECTIONS OF THE EYES NOSE, AND THROAT, FOOD POISONING, INTESTINAL FLU , ANTIBACTERIAL, ANTIFUNGAL, ANTIVIRAL GOD SEND...
I CAN SEE WHY THE BIG DRUG CO.s WOULD BE FEARFULL TELL YOU YOU CANT USE THIS , BUT THEN MAKE MONEY ON THIS THEMSELVES LIKE PUTTING IT IN BURN CREAM, AND IN BABIES EYES WHEN THEY ARE BORN AND ON BANDAGES NOW AND BANDAIDS, AND THIER OWN NAMEBRAND SALVES
EVERYONE MUST PRAY AND DECIDE FOR THIERSELVES BUT YOU MAY NOT WANT TO DISCOUNT THIS ONE ! ! !
IN THE STUDY OF SURVIVAL YOU WILL FIND SOME STRANGE THINGS SO. . . I WROTE THE CLAIMS OF C.S. OFF FOR THE FIRST TEN YEARS BUT AFTER TALKING TO OTHER CHRISTIANS WHO HAD BEEN TAKING IT FOR YEARS MY WIFE AND I BELIEVED THOSE STATEMENTS TO BE PROPAGANDA AND HAVE USED IT, OUR CHURCH HAS USED IT, OUR CHILDREN HAVE USED IT
GIVEN IT TO NEW BORN BABIES, FRIENDS, INTERNAL / EXTERNAL ..
FIFTEEN YEARS . . . . . . .
WHILE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE REMOTE CLAIMS OF SKIN DISORDERS POSSIBLY ASSOCIATED WITH THE MISSUSE OR OVERUSE OF C.S.OUR OPINION IS STILL MORE THAN EVER EITHER PROPAGANDA OR MISINFORMATION
(JUST WHERE ARE ALL THOSE GRAY BLUE PEOPLE ANYWAY)
AT THE VERY LEAST WE HAVE BEEN YOUR GINNY PIGS,
FOR WHAT EVER MY EXPERIENCE AND OPINION IS WORTH :
IN HARD TIMES THIS WOULD BE A MIRACLE SENT FROM GOD .
WHILE NOT A CURE ALL IT IS THE BEST TREATMENT I HAVE EVER SEEN FOR : BURNS, CUTS, INFECTIONS OF THE EYES NOSE, AND THROAT, FOOD POISONING, INTESTINAL FLU , ANTIBACTERIAL, ANTIFUNGAL, ANTIVIRAL GOD SEND...
I CAN SEE WHY THE BIG DRUG CO.s WOULD BE FEARFULL TELL YOU YOU CANT USE THIS , BUT THEN MAKE MONEY ON THIS THEMSELVES LIKE PUTTING IT IN BURN CREAM, AND IN BABIES EYES WHEN THEY ARE BORN AND ON BANDAGES NOW AND BANDAIDS, AND THIER OWN NAMEBRAND SALVES
EVERYONE MUST PRAY AND DECIDE FOR THIERSELVES BUT YOU MAY NOT WANT TO DISCOUNT THIS ONE ! ! !
It doesn't matter whether you are talking about conventional medicine, natural medicine, or alternative treatment -- the watchword is always CAUTION. I am a firm believer in the fact that there are thousands of treatments that the medical bureaucracy and big pharma do NOT want you to know about or practice.
I also am a firm believer that natural and alternative is best IF it does the job. I always research everything and, in consonance with our family practitioner, make decisions about our own health or treatment. His is not the final word and he accepts that and works with us and tells us the truth if he has misgivings about a course. The less medication, the better.
And getting back to colloidal silver, I know two people who take it and use it on an extremely regular basis. One of them has argyria, which is the slight blue tint of the skin and if you look closely, you can see it in the eyeballs. That said and done, as far as I am concerned, the jury is still out on it's use. I do know that Curad has introduced bandages that are treated with colloidal silver. Is that a trend -- I don't know.
You find two distinct views regarding silver - for and against. The people 'for' do it with zeal. Much zeal. Those who are against, generally are the medical establishment. For good reason, it affects their income! Here is an article by a doctor who is against -
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRel ... verad.html
And here's another against -
http://annhyg.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/co ... t/49/7/575
I am unable to find anything for, except by those who take it or sell it. Now before anyone gets in an uproar, I do all my own research because I trust myself. I would never try anything - conventional or otherwise - unless I researched it myself FIRST.
That does not mean I would not try an alternative approach - yes I would, not just on someone's say-so - maybe on their recommendation and then I put myself to work delving into all aspects of it.
Again, speaking just for myself, the jury is out on this particular item.
I also am a firm believer that natural and alternative is best IF it does the job. I always research everything and, in consonance with our family practitioner, make decisions about our own health or treatment. His is not the final word and he accepts that and works with us and tells us the truth if he has misgivings about a course. The less medication, the better.
And getting back to colloidal silver, I know two people who take it and use it on an extremely regular basis. One of them has argyria, which is the slight blue tint of the skin and if you look closely, you can see it in the eyeballs. That said and done, as far as I am concerned, the jury is still out on it's use. I do know that Curad has introduced bandages that are treated with colloidal silver. Is that a trend -- I don't know.
You find two distinct views regarding silver - for and against. The people 'for' do it with zeal. Much zeal. Those who are against, generally are the medical establishment. For good reason, it affects their income! Here is an article by a doctor who is against -
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRel ... verad.html
And here's another against -
http://annhyg.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/co ... t/49/7/575
I am unable to find anything for, except by those who take it or sell it. Now before anyone gets in an uproar, I do all my own research because I trust myself. I would never try anything - conventional or otherwise - unless I researched it myself FIRST.
That does not mean I would not try an alternative approach - yes I would, not just on someone's say-so - maybe on their recommendation and then I put myself to work delving into all aspects of it.
Again, speaking just for myself, the jury is out on this particular item.
Found this article FOR. Interestingly, it is not by a member of the health establishment. http://www.newstarget.com/010038.html
Here's what I think we should do with this conversation string......
This is too important an issue to let slowly drop off the forum. I propose that all those who are interested in this subject and this technique do lots of research and present links to scholarly articles here for all of us to read.
As I mentioned before, all those who use it are zealous in their support. Those of us who are sitting on the fence or not convinced.......well, you get the idea. Convince us Missouri mules, one way or another.
If there is, in fact, basis to use this as part of our major disaster preparedness efforts, we owe it to everybody to research it good. I do know that you can use solar power for a colloidal generator so if it is a viable resource for our supplies we should be exploring it.
The mere fact of someone saying it is good should be the basis of discerning research on our part. On the other hand, those who say it is not good deserve a say also.
This is too important an issue to let slowly drop off the forum. I propose that all those who are interested in this subject and this technique do lots of research and present links to scholarly articles here for all of us to read.
As I mentioned before, all those who use it are zealous in their support. Those of us who are sitting on the fence or not convinced.......well, you get the idea. Convince us Missouri mules, one way or another.
If there is, in fact, basis to use this as part of our major disaster preparedness efforts, we owe it to everybody to research it good. I do know that you can use solar power for a colloidal generator so if it is a viable resource for our supplies we should be exploring it.
The mere fact of someone saying it is good should be the basis of discerning research on our part. On the other hand, those who say it is not good deserve a say also.
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Toepopper
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Although I myself have never used C.S. , several friends of mine do use it on a regular basis and swear by it ! The fact that silver has a bacteria eliminating quality to it was first discovered in the "Dark Ages" when the elitists of that time realized that by manufacturing their eating utensils from silver, they could eliminate much of the gastro intestinal discomfort and distress caused by using utensiles made from pewter or hardwood. Silver utensils were/are easier to wash and keep clean, whereas less expensive and easy to make hardwood utensils are a virtual bacteria colony and when used by different individuals will spread germs and disease from mouth to mouth.
Inexpensive C.S. generators were offered by sponsers of short wave radio broadcasts at least 15 years ago and are still on the market in survival stores for a reasonable amount of FRN's. One of the positive advertised qualities for C.S. is to eliminate the symptoms of rhumetoid arthritis, and one of my neighbors said that it did help his arthritic pain.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Toepopper
Inexpensive C.S. generators were offered by sponsers of short wave radio broadcasts at least 15 years ago and are still on the market in survival stores for a reasonable amount of FRN's. One of the positive advertised qualities for C.S. is to eliminate the symptoms of rhumetoid arthritis, and one of my neighbors said that it did help his arthritic pain.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Toepopper
Wasn't sure if I wanted to post this as it has only been three days since I began self-administration of colloidal silver. This past week I have been suffering with a gum inflammation (infection) and it was hurting to the point that I could not sleep. One big ache on the right side of my jaw.
I remembered the bottle of CS that a friend gave me and I stuck away in the medicine cabinet. Started swishing the stuff around in my mouth three times a day and by golly, I can touch my gum with my tongue now and it does not hurt. The swelling is down and no more bleeding. This morning it was almost completely normal. Before it had affected my ability to chew on the right side and now the tooth and it's underneath are coming back to normal.
I think I'm beginning to see the light.
I remembered the bottle of CS that a friend gave me and I stuck away in the medicine cabinet. Started swishing the stuff around in my mouth three times a day and by golly, I can touch my gum with my tongue now and it does not hurt. The swelling is down and no more bleeding. This morning it was almost completely normal. Before it had affected my ability to chew on the right side and now the tooth and it's underneath are coming back to normal.
I think I'm beginning to see the light.
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bobpick
As I'm collecting and collating the info, it's important to know that silver does kill germs as it alters the bacteria's membrane by changing the electrical potential, literally zapping the bugs. This is when it done externally.
Silver, like iron or lithium, or any metal is not metabolized by the body for elimination. You can develop lithium toxicity as with bipolar medicine, hemochromotosis is when your body retains too much iron (and can kill you), and we have seen examples of too much silver.
Be aware I'm saying TOO MUCH!! You're body doesn't have a meter that shows your levels. You should trust your body to be able to fight infection and the best way to do that is take care of it. Take multi-vitamins, get plenty of sleep, eat a well balanced diet, stop smoking and don't drink to excess. Your body knows exactly what to do to stay healthy. Trust it.
Silver, like iron or lithium, or any metal is not metabolized by the body for elimination. You can develop lithium toxicity as with bipolar medicine, hemochromotosis is when your body retains too much iron (and can kill you), and we have seen examples of too much silver.
Be aware I'm saying TOO MUCH!! You're body doesn't have a meter that shows your levels. You should trust your body to be able to fight infection and the best way to do that is take care of it. Take multi-vitamins, get plenty of sleep, eat a well balanced diet, stop smoking and don't drink to excess. Your body knows exactly what to do to stay healthy. Trust it.
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bobpick
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dejure
Re: Mild Silver Protein
First, I would not take colloidal silver, except when the need calls for it, anymore than would I take an antibacterial regularly. I believe it best to build our bodies immunity. That said, there are times we must take desperate measures.
I make my own silver and have for years. It's a simple process. Electricity is electricity and it is either alternating current ]AC] or direct current [DC]. You can increase voltage (pressure) of electricity. You can increase the amperage. You can increase the frequency. You can feed it back on itself. You can dump it in a load to create heat or light. You can switch it and you can read the times it switches or monitor the paths the switching causes. In the end, it is still electricity. Colloidal silver is, essentially, and electroplating process done using DC. The only thing that changes making it is the amount of amperage, the pressure, or voltage used to make it, and the material it's made in.
Most making colloidal silver use distilled water, for its purity. However, its purity does not allow it to conduct current, so it is mildly contaminated to allow the water to conduct current and allow electricity to flow from a negative silver plate to a positive plate.
Colloidal silver can be made using batteries or a DC power supply. An old power source from a child's toy train works well, since it both converts AC to DC and allows you to vary the amount of voltage, up to 36VDC. I picked up two at garage sales for about a buck each, so keep your eyes open. You can also wire three nine volt batteries in series so you have 27VDC. They will last a good long while for this purpose.
I bought a silver ingot and cut it in half to form the plates for my "Colloidal Silver Generator," or you can spend up to a couple hundred bucks on the net and get the same thing in a cute package. They'll probalby through in some nice LED lights too. Alternatively, you can spend $28.00 or more for four ounces of "special" stuff from a health food store.
They say you can contaminate your distilled water with a drop or two of saline. Sea salt would probably work. It would only take a crystal or two. Next, connect you two silver plates (the ingot cut in half, or some 99.9% pure silver jewelers wire) to the negative and positive outputs of your power supply and drop it in the water. Don't let the wire leads rest in the water, You just want colloidal silver, not colloidal electrical wire.
With the power on, you will see silver flowing off the negative plate in short order. I don't make more than a glass at a time and within seconds after I see silver flowing off the plate I end the process. As elsewhere said on this thread, more is not better.
If you make more than a glass of colloidal silver, you should stir the water to mix the silver in. Of course, use a wood, glass or plastic stir device.
Using your own silver generator, you can make what would be thousands of dollars worth of solution.
Wikapeida has a very good bit of information on this subject and should be considered (I got called to task elsewhere for my ignorance and I hate crow). One of the things claimed is milk and other things neutralize silver. As well, stomach acid may affect it's use too. As such, it might be I should look at topical absorption for internal use, since the skin absorbs good and bad alike.
As it has been said, be careful. The Bible says "everything in moderation," and it makes NO exceptions.
I make my own silver and have for years. It's a simple process. Electricity is electricity and it is either alternating current ]AC] or direct current [DC]. You can increase voltage (pressure) of electricity. You can increase the amperage. You can increase the frequency. You can feed it back on itself. You can dump it in a load to create heat or light. You can switch it and you can read the times it switches or monitor the paths the switching causes. In the end, it is still electricity. Colloidal silver is, essentially, and electroplating process done using DC. The only thing that changes making it is the amount of amperage, the pressure, or voltage used to make it, and the material it's made in.
Most making colloidal silver use distilled water, for its purity. However, its purity does not allow it to conduct current, so it is mildly contaminated to allow the water to conduct current and allow electricity to flow from a negative silver plate to a positive plate.
Colloidal silver can be made using batteries or a DC power supply. An old power source from a child's toy train works well, since it both converts AC to DC and allows you to vary the amount of voltage, up to 36VDC. I picked up two at garage sales for about a buck each, so keep your eyes open. You can also wire three nine volt batteries in series so you have 27VDC. They will last a good long while for this purpose.
I bought a silver ingot and cut it in half to form the plates for my "Colloidal Silver Generator," or you can spend up to a couple hundred bucks on the net and get the same thing in a cute package. They'll probalby through in some nice LED lights too. Alternatively, you can spend $28.00 or more for four ounces of "special" stuff from a health food store.
They say you can contaminate your distilled water with a drop or two of saline. Sea salt would probably work. It would only take a crystal or two. Next, connect you two silver plates (the ingot cut in half, or some 99.9% pure silver jewelers wire) to the negative and positive outputs of your power supply and drop it in the water. Don't let the wire leads rest in the water, You just want colloidal silver, not colloidal electrical wire.
With the power on, you will see silver flowing off the negative plate in short order. I don't make more than a glass at a time and within seconds after I see silver flowing off the plate I end the process. As elsewhere said on this thread, more is not better.
If you make more than a glass of colloidal silver, you should stir the water to mix the silver in. Of course, use a wood, glass or plastic stir device.
Using your own silver generator, you can make what would be thousands of dollars worth of solution.
Wikapeida has a very good bit of information on this subject and should be considered (I got called to task elsewhere for my ignorance and I hate crow). One of the things claimed is milk and other things neutralize silver. As well, stomach acid may affect it's use too. As such, it might be I should look at topical absorption for internal use, since the skin absorbs good and bad alike.
As it has been said, be careful. The Bible says "everything in moderation," and it makes NO exceptions.
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dejure
Colloidal silver experiences
I didn't have time to share some anecdotes regarding my initial experiences with colloidal silver made using the power supply system I talked about previously. They are just anecdotes and not scientific studies, so take them for what you think they are worth.
We had several farm cats that had come down with what looked like the initial stages of kitty pneumonia. They were sneezen, wheezen creatures all. Not wanting to lose some of my hard workers, I poured some silver mix in a bowl of milk and fed it to them. It didn't last long, since farm cats on a non-dairy farm aren't accustomed to the luxury of cows milk. Within two or three days, they all were symptom free. The old tom of the group had been gone for some time and showed up a few days later. He appeared horrible, compared to the others, so I poured him his own bowl. It took about a week, but he was back to his old wandering self.
According to a cantankerous poster from another list, it couldn't have worked because the milk would have neutralized the silver and the cats' stomach acids would have rendered it useless. Well, lets hear it for kitty placebos. What else can I say?
We had about seven pear trees in the orchard and always had to be concerned with things like fungus. On a whim, I threw some colloidal silver on the branches that were affected. It didn't totally solve the problem, but it did seem to inhibit further growth. I should have been a bit more aggressive in my experimentation because there may have been some valuable answers there.
Finally, a friend, since passed away, complained of a foot fungus that was a gift from the Korean war. I sent him home with a quart of silver and suggested he bathe his feet in water treated with it. I think he found it almost comical that he was able to soak his feet in something that would have cost him hundreds of dollars downtown, but which he could have all he wanted for free (I was in the process of brewing a 55 gallon drum full for orchard use, but was having problems with stirring to dissipate the solution). Anyway, he came back out for a visit a few months later and said that it had been the first thing that seemed to help. He had been taking strong antibiotics, with their own set of drawbacks, but they had been becoming increasingly ineffective.
The result of my experiences with homemade colloidal silver as been such that I would consider it an important thing to be able to create in times of hard. Even if you did not wish to consume it (many doses in a year would not affect your skin color), it could be an important thing to have available for surface disinfecting, or as an antibacterial for skin application. And that is possible, as long as you have a battery source (even a 3-1/2 v battery would work, it would just be slow) and silver for the plates, you could always limp by with any water source.
Kelly
We had several farm cats that had come down with what looked like the initial stages of kitty pneumonia. They were sneezen, wheezen creatures all. Not wanting to lose some of my hard workers, I poured some silver mix in a bowl of milk and fed it to them. It didn't last long, since farm cats on a non-dairy farm aren't accustomed to the luxury of cows milk. Within two or three days, they all were symptom free. The old tom of the group had been gone for some time and showed up a few days later. He appeared horrible, compared to the others, so I poured him his own bowl. It took about a week, but he was back to his old wandering self.
According to a cantankerous poster from another list, it couldn't have worked because the milk would have neutralized the silver and the cats' stomach acids would have rendered it useless. Well, lets hear it for kitty placebos. What else can I say?
We had about seven pear trees in the orchard and always had to be concerned with things like fungus. On a whim, I threw some colloidal silver on the branches that were affected. It didn't totally solve the problem, but it did seem to inhibit further growth. I should have been a bit more aggressive in my experimentation because there may have been some valuable answers there.
Finally, a friend, since passed away, complained of a foot fungus that was a gift from the Korean war. I sent him home with a quart of silver and suggested he bathe his feet in water treated with it. I think he found it almost comical that he was able to soak his feet in something that would have cost him hundreds of dollars downtown, but which he could have all he wanted for free (I was in the process of brewing a 55 gallon drum full for orchard use, but was having problems with stirring to dissipate the solution). Anyway, he came back out for a visit a few months later and said that it had been the first thing that seemed to help. He had been taking strong antibiotics, with their own set of drawbacks, but they had been becoming increasingly ineffective.
The result of my experiences with homemade colloidal silver as been such that I would consider it an important thing to be able to create in times of hard. Even if you did not wish to consume it (many doses in a year would not affect your skin color), it could be an important thing to have available for surface disinfecting, or as an antibacterial for skin application. And that is possible, as long as you have a battery source (even a 3-1/2 v battery would work, it would just be slow) and silver for the plates, you could always limp by with any water source.
Kelly
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dejure
Then off to colloidal copper
Another experience I just thought to mention was my experience with our irrigation ponds. We use large ponds, into which water is pumped to provide for the big pumps that feed our 100 acre irrigation circles. After a while, moss and algae build up on everything. The ditch riders who tend the governments ditches that are the water source for the ponds use copper and things to kill plant growth.
Since we have to apply copper to the crops from time to time, it certainly doesn't bother them that the ditch riders tend their ditches with it. With these thought in mind, I went and got some styrofoam from a stero shipping box and poked holes in two pieces. I then forced used copper water pipes down through the holes so they were tightly held in place, then tied eighteen gauge wire to them (I drilled holes in the ends to make this easier). One float became the negative lead and the other became the positive lead. Both ran to a batter fed off a small solar panel. The two "plates floated in the water and generated copper. They obviously worked because the copper showed signs of being eaten away. Too, I think the copper helped beat down plant build up, when the pond set and it was able to build up. Anyway, it was a maintenance free toy and built on could be a handy tool.
Since we have to apply copper to the crops from time to time, it certainly doesn't bother them that the ditch riders tend their ditches with it. With these thought in mind, I went and got some styrofoam from a stero shipping box and poked holes in two pieces. I then forced used copper water pipes down through the holes so they were tightly held in place, then tied eighteen gauge wire to them (I drilled holes in the ends to make this easier). One float became the negative lead and the other became the positive lead. Both ran to a batter fed off a small solar panel. The two "plates floated in the water and generated copper. They obviously worked because the copper showed signs of being eaten away. Too, I think the copper helped beat down plant build up, when the pond set and it was able to build up. Anyway, it was a maintenance free toy and built on could be a handy tool.
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whitewolf
Re: Mild Silver Protein
Again I am in agreement with the statements above and after 15 yrs of experimenting with cs., I think the benefits far outweigh the drawbacks ( especially in hard times ) , when regular medicine supplies are unavailable, for emergency purposes you will be pl;eased to find the results of CS>, to even one better current emergency room practices ...
Used for topical now will within reason will allow practice for the hard times approaching,
Used to kill bacteria in babies eyes at birth...
Used to grow skin cells in the finest burn wards in America...
Used to kill bacteria in olden days in cows milk lengthening the shelf life...
Used for the worst known burns treated in burn wards (topically )
Used and usually more effective than emergency room treatment up to and including stomache pumping for food poisoning...
Used and almost always more effective than emergency room treatment for pink eye....
Bob
Used for topical now will within reason will allow practice for the hard times approaching,
Used to kill bacteria in babies eyes at birth...
Used to grow skin cells in the finest burn wards in America...
Used to kill bacteria in olden days in cows milk lengthening the shelf life...
Used for the worst known burns treated in burn wards (topically )
Used and usually more effective than emergency room treatment up to and including stomache pumping for food poisoning...
Used and almost always more effective than emergency room treatment for pink eye....
Bob
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dejure
Re: Mild Silver Protein
Another site from Mike, the Health Ranger, offers a bit of insight into this matter at: http://www.naturalnews.com/025366.html On this site, he indicates contaminating distilled water with salt is problematic, so, though I have yet to use this method, I will keep this in mind.
When taking silver products internally, we may be well advised to remember we are dealing with a heavy metal. Other heavy metals have been indicated to cause problems with our systems. Some believe they can cause inflammation leading to vessel problems, cancers and so forth. As elsewhere stated, even iron is a potential problem, especially for we men. For that reason, there is a great deal of information and formulas to chelate heavy metals (fluoride, mercury, etc.) out of our systems. If nothing else, we may be well advised to remember the Biblical advice of doing ALL things in moderation. Note that that does not exclude anything, even worship.
Obviously, the more effective we can use something the better off we will be. There is much conflicting information out there so, though I use "ionic" silver, I do so with caution. Still, I do use it, but desire to know more of it so that I can make the best use of it.
I have looked to the quakwatch site a few times, but have come to realize that few of us on this list would get along with the owners of the site. He/She/They certainly are not immune from prejudice against all but accepted practices. I have reviewed reports elsewhere that, if heeded, would say use advice from this site with caution. That is not to say some of the thing negatively reported on the site should not be treated as quackery. For example, the pads that supposedly draw toxins, or the rather expensive foot bath systems that do the same. I believe these are just devices that take advantage of people's ignorance of electricity and its effect on iron and such.
When taking silver products internally, we may be well advised to remember we are dealing with a heavy metal. Other heavy metals have been indicated to cause problems with our systems. Some believe they can cause inflammation leading to vessel problems, cancers and so forth. As elsewhere stated, even iron is a potential problem, especially for we men. For that reason, there is a great deal of information and formulas to chelate heavy metals (fluoride, mercury, etc.) out of our systems. If nothing else, we may be well advised to remember the Biblical advice of doing ALL things in moderation. Note that that does not exclude anything, even worship.
Obviously, the more effective we can use something the better off we will be. There is much conflicting information out there so, though I use "ionic" silver, I do so with caution. Still, I do use it, but desire to know more of it so that I can make the best use of it.
I have looked to the quakwatch site a few times, but have come to realize that few of us on this list would get along with the owners of the site. He/She/They certainly are not immune from prejudice against all but accepted practices. I have reviewed reports elsewhere that, if heeded, would say use advice from this site with caution. That is not to say some of the thing negatively reported on the site should not be treated as quackery. For example, the pads that supposedly draw toxins, or the rather expensive foot bath systems that do the same. I believe these are just devices that take advantage of people's ignorance of electricity and its effect on iron and such.